BreederJ and VitaminCBD- The real story
I consider myself to be (or used to be) one of the most active members on this site as far as posting photos of cannabis plants goes... but when people get attacked for trying to help they tend to disappear over time... because who wants to be hassled endlessly? Nobody. BreederJ is one of the perpetrators I'm speaking of....He has a big mouth. In fact, his mouth is the only part of his body that's larger than his ego is.
He has recently proclaimed me to be a liar and a thief on this forum based on his "personal experience" with me.... and when people start shit-talking I usually let things pass right through me, unaffected. I don't typically like to feed the trolls and consider it to be none of my business what other people think of me, but with the kinds of accusations being thrown around attacking my character personally, I am certainly not going to sit here and let my reputation be unjustly tarnished in an instant.
BreederJ had one isolated, unfavorable experience with me which has already been remedied, but he is still deciding to publicly slam me. Anything that J has said about me on NWGT has at best, been extremely exaggerated, and at worst are straight up lies! But I suppose controversy is a last resort for the talentless. The whole problem with BreederJ and other trolls though, is that they are stuck in a poisonous mental prison of jealousy and self-doubt that blinds them to their own potentiality. Those individuals who try to bring you down are already below you- They don't really hate you, it’s not about you at all... They hate themselves; because you're a reflection of who they wish they had become, whether they want to admit it or not. It’s their fear, their jealousy, their boredom, and their insecurity that causes them to speak ill of others... and only the insecure strive for security.
With that said, some of you have already read parts of this from the other forum, but for those who haven't and have a few minutes for a good story, keep reading...
I really wish I didn't have to go through all of this to "prove myself", but I can already see what’s going to happen- every time I post something on this site it’s going to be followed by a snide remark or comment from BreederJ going out of his way to let everyone know just how horrible of a human being I am, and my (alleged) ridiculous gardening practices, etc. It has become apparent to me that some people have so little going on in their lives, that they would rather discuss mine... But if you're judging me by my past J, then you're way behind schedule dude! This all took place back in the spring of 2014... and he still hasn't moved on!!!!
They say that a lie can travel halfway around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes... Well, I've been putting on my shoes... It’s just amazing the lies that BreederJ would have you believe when the truth is actually MUCH more interesting, so let me tell you the story about what really went down between BreederJ and VitaminCBD... This is my version, the TRUE version of what actually happened.
But before I start, I'll make a list of BreederJ's proclamations about me:
-I mislabel my clones on purpose.
-I've given thousands of patients mites (get real).
-I spread powdery mildew to him and others.
-Am selling unverified CBD clones.
-I change strain names to whatever I want.
-Lie to patients about anything and everything.
-I make up strain names to accommodate a sale..
-Have stole from him.
-Lied to him repeatedly.
-A bunch on other outrageous claims that couldn't possibly be based in reality.
I started talking to BreederJ back in May of 2014... He was interested in some of my genetics, so we arranged to meet for a script. He wanted 4 or 5 different strains, so I met his "driver" with the cuttings. We chatted for a bit, and then went back home. The next day he called me and very politely said, "Hey bro, I got a couple sub-adult mites on one of these plants here. I wanted to let you know that I'm going to have to go through all sorts of trouble to quarantine, and treat these... and I was hoping you could take care of me..." I said, "I am so sorry!" and apologized profusely. "It is never my intention to give you, or anybody else mites, and had I known they had them I would've never given them out." I told him I will do whatever it takes to make this right. He suggested that I give him another full script to make up for it, and without hesitating for even an instant, I said "sure"! The next week I gave him 15 new gorgeous, clean clones. Sounds fair, right? Fair. One of the strains he wanted which I didn't have available the week before was the BCS pink cut I had. So I gave him 5 or 6 of those along with a couple other strains, bug free, and mold free. For the second meet up, again, I didn't meet J, it was his brother. This entire time J and I had been regularly speaking and he always talked about how if things go well he will be a consistent large customer and wanted me to be their main "cloner guy" because they didn't have a solid one in their group (web of people) yet. He said he'd been growing for decades and wanted to take me under his wing and in some sense, mentor me (which I didn't need, but certainly obliged)... Anyways, 4 days later after meeting the second time, I get a text from him while I'm at work, saying something to the effect that, "Hey, I think you gave me the wrong strains. There are no BCS here." I was shocked to hear that because the one strain he wanted was my pink BCS cut which he had planned on using in his breeding projects. I didn't have much time to think about it cause I was working, and again I profusely apologized and I considered myself to be the biggest idiot in the world for somehow messing that one up because the BCS was the whole point of us meeting up. I was second guessing myself even though I KNEW I had given him the BCS clones... But then later on, something hit me that changed my entire state of mind completely... The day prior (a couple days after we had met the second time), J's brother had sent me a text asking about the labels on the new plants I gave him... He essentially asked me, "Hey bro, is the BLACK CHERRY SODA the same thing as the BCS PINK...? because I have two different labels here..." I explained to him, that yes, they are both the exact same strain, and that my employees sometimes write labels slightly differently. At that very moment I knew that BreederJ was trying to scam me out of more clones!!!!!! I couldn’t believe it! My friendly attitude towards him changed immediately as anyone's would when you feel like you've just been played for a fool. I sent him a text back stating that his brother somehow didn't forward all the clones to him that he received from me, and that his brother had some serious explaining to do! BreederJ talked to his brother and said he didn’t have them, and of course denied ever having received the BCS cuttings, but I had proof on my phone from his very own brother asking me specifically about the BCS labels. I said to him, "How did your brother know what I wrote on my labels if he didn't have them in front of him!?” He continued to lie about it and somehow starting talking about all sorts of stuff that had nothing to do with the situation at hand, much like he still does. He turned it around on me even though he knew he was in the wrong! At that point I had had enough of it and I remember telling him I knew he was trying to scam me, and I called him a liar and a fraud (sound familiar?), and that we will have no further communication. Since that day (back in 2014!) we have had zero communication!
BreederJ, lets not forget that I was the one who STOPPED doing business with YOU, not the other way around! You were STILL in the process of trying to cop more clones off of me when we stopped talking. I'm sure you selectively chose to forget that part... "The ax might forget, but the tree remembers..."
As I stated earlier, most everything that BreederJ has proclaimed about me is fabricated out of his mind to his own liking. Meaning he speaks of me as he wants/hopes me to be- just some shotty, mystery strain flipping, ignorant, lazy cloner dude ripping off patients throughout the surrounding counties. And it really could not be farther from the truth. I am a calm, respectful, optimistic, reliable, dedicated, honest, easy going, friendly guy that happens to have a green thumb. To say I'm in it just for the money, is again, a gigantic assumption on J's part. The whole reason I do any of this is because of my love for the cannabis plant. I am passionate about everything I do regarding mmj and I'd like think that it shows in my finished products. I've already made my money, and I donate to fellow patients regularly. There are members on here who can attest to that.
Did I give BreederJ mites? I might have, but I'll never know for sure, because when a liar tells the truth, he is not believed. BreederJ tries to portray to all of you that he knows me, when in reality he’s never once met me, nor has he ever been to, or seen any of my gardens, flowers or concentrates, nor has hereceived a single cutting from me since, and we literally haven’t said one word to each other. To put it simply, he knows absolutely nothing about me, although he'd lead one to believe otherwise. The only basis on which BreederJ has to judge me on are the 30 small plants he received from me. Anything and everything he says beyond those 30 cuttings is no more than a shameful attempt to spread fear, uncertainty, and doubt about my persona. He makes ridiculous accusations that I'm somehow "whoring out" super-mite ridden, powdery mildew-covered cuttings and infesting the entire mmj industry. Those are simply words, not fact. I NEVER gave you powdery mildew and you know it!
Honesty has always been a good policy for me as I have nothing to hide. I am proud of my cannabis strains and if offering highly sought after genetics to the community is a crime then I AM GUILTY. Anyone that knows me on a personal level knows that I'm about as real as it gets. I do what I say and say what I mean. I do my best to verify all the strains in my permanent collection with pictures and test results. As far as me “taking in (fake) high CBD strains” goes, and me “blowing them out to the masses”- that's just simply untrue. I'm small time, and don't have the capacity to blow out 20 different strains, so in no way do I have any kind of influence on the local mmj cuttings scene. When I picked up the Harlequin high CBD clone from The Cloners Market it even had a HIGH CBD tag on it from DAMA clones, so somehow that’s my fault? After my very first harvest finished I had it tested and it came back at 13% thc and 0% cbd... so you know I did with it? I got rid of it! I didn't make it into a mother plant or give it out to the "masses". If a couple people ended up with the cuts before I had it tested I would’ve just let them know the test results weren’t what they should’ve been. Not a big deal. THERE'S NOTHING HARD ABOUT BEING HONEST. The same goes for other high cbd strains I've had tested and they came back negative. I never offered them. The only high cbd cuts I've made mothers of are the two that I displayed on my website and they were accompanied with test results and extensive photos! BreederJ talks as if somehow my posting photos of my OWN buds from plants that were grown in my OWN garden that I took pictures of MYSELF and posted on my OWN website which I made by MYSELF is a bad thing...? And those same photos are of the exact same strains that I offer to anybody else. Does every harvest look that good? Of course not, but I don't do the BAIT AND SWITCH! Why would I need to? J, you also talk about how I allegedly mislabel all my clones... What J really means is that when I brought him his first script of clones they were all packed snuggly in a box, and as I crammed the last one or two clone cups in the box one of the labels got caught on the underside of the cups, bent, and flipped out of the soil into the box... It happens. For that I do apologize. That's my bad, and luckily it can be easily remedied by finding the only two cups without a label in them and putting the one or two labels back in the appropriate cups. The labels were there, but you chose to make a gigantic stink about it. You've been growing for 30 years and a couple mites and two misplaced labels is just so much for you to bare that you still find it necessary to harp on me about everything I say or do on this forum, whether it relates to you or not!? Again, you are pathetic. You are no more than a condescending, know-it-all, sociopathic bully who gets a thrill out of talking down to people. I know you're type... You act this way online because that's how you really are in your daily life. You are just a nasty, miserable, individual... and misery loves company. You speak more like you are a thug or a drug addict, then you are a mmj patient/grower. And if you haven't figured it out yet, life isn't about being "hard". Its about doing what you can to help out your fellow human being, and leaving the world a better place then you found it.
I've done nothing to you to warrant the disrespect you've shown me. You talk at people, not to them, as if you’re the ring leader of this crazy circus, but you’re not. You’re just a clown. Your bold faced lies are pathetic, and knowing you, you'll just keep spouting them off, so for anyone who cares to know the truth, here it is. Anything you say beyond this point will be considered incessant whining, extreme exaggeration, or just a straight out lie. I'm sure you're going to pick this entire thing apart... You might say that I didn't give you 15 plants to replace the others, or that every plant had mites with webs all over them, or maybe even that all of my BCS plants were mislabeled, so that's why you never ended up with the cut. But those would all be lies too.... You know how I know that? Because I hold very high expectations of myself and those around me, and don't mislabel 100% of my clones! The truth I speak contradicts the lies you live, so no matter what you might refute, we know one thing is for certain- you're going to lie some more. Your job as a hater is to hate me, and I know you'll stay on your job 24/7, so I'm not expecting you to clock out and leave me alone, but I am done defending myself as one can not reason with an unreasonable person.
I'll continue to take care of my character and my reputation will take care of itself, as it always has. My flowers and cuttings will continue to speak for themselves too. An ounce of performance has always been worth more than a pound of preachment. I'm not trying to proclaim my superiority on top of the growers pedestal here because there are many, many people out there who do a much better job than I do. I am just a proud person who shares my growing knowledge based on my experiences.
I still just can't believe you haven't given it up J...
I guess it's true that small things affect small minds...
I consider myself to be (or used to be) one of the most active members on this site as far as posting photos of cannabis plants goes... but when people get attacked for trying to help they tend to disappear over time... because who wants to be hassled endlessly? Nobody. BreederJ is one of the perpetrators I'm speaking of....He has a big mouth. In fact, his mouth is the only part of his body that's larger than his ego is.
He has recently proclaimed me to be a liar and a thief on this forum based on his "personal experience" with me.... and when people start shit-talking I usually let things pass right through me, unaffected. I don't typically like to feed the trolls and consider it to be none of my business what other people think of me, but with the kinds of accusations being thrown around attacking my character personally, I am certainly not going to sit here and let my reputation be unjustly tarnished in an instant.
BreederJ had one isolated, unfavorable experience with me which has already been remedied, but he is still deciding to publicly slam me. Anything that J has said about me on NWGT has at best, been extremely exaggerated, and at worst are straight up lies! But I suppose controversy is a last resort for the talentless. The whole problem with BreederJ and other trolls though, is that they are stuck in a poisonous mental prison of jealousy and self-doubt that blinds them to their own potentiality. Those individuals who try to bring you down are already below you- They don't really hate you, it’s not about you at all... They hate themselves; because you're a reflection of who they wish they had become, whether they want to admit it or not. It’s their fear, their jealousy, their boredom, and their insecurity that causes them to speak ill of others... and only the insecure strive for security.
With that said, some of you have already read parts of this from the other forum, but for those who haven't and have a few minutes for a good story, keep reading...
I really wish I didn't have to go through all of this to "prove myself", but I can already see what’s going to happen- every time I post something on this site it’s going to be followed by a snide remark or comment from BreederJ going out of his way to let everyone know just how horrible of a human being I am, and my (alleged) ridiculous gardening practices, etc. It has become apparent to me that some people have so little going on in their lives, that they would rather discuss mine... But if you're judging me by my past J, then you're way behind schedule dude! This all took place back in the spring of 2014... and he still hasn't moved on!!!!
They say that a lie can travel halfway around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes... Well, I've been putting on my shoes... It’s just amazing the lies that BreederJ would have you believe when the truth is actually MUCH more interesting, so let me tell you the story about what really went down between BreederJ and VitaminCBD... This is my version, the TRUE version of what actually happened.
But before I start, I'll make a list of BreederJ's proclamations about me:
-I mislabel my clones on purpose.
-I've given thousands of patients mites (get real).
-I spread powdery mildew to him and others.
-Am selling unverified CBD clones.
-I change strain names to whatever I want.
-Lie to patients about anything and everything.
-I make up strain names to accommodate a sale..
-Have stole from him.
-Lied to him repeatedly.
-A bunch on other outrageous claims that couldn't possibly be based in reality.
I started talking to BreederJ back in May of 2014... He was interested in some of my genetics, so we arranged to meet for a script. He wanted 4 or 5 different strains, so I met his "driver" with the cuttings. We chatted for a bit, and then went back home. The next day he called me and very politely said, "Hey bro, I got a couple sub-adult mites on one of these plants here. I wanted to let you know that I'm going to have to go through all sorts of trouble to quarantine, and treat these... and I was hoping you could take care of me..." I said, "I am so sorry!" and apologized profusely. "It is never my intention to give you, or anybody else mites, and had I known they had them I would've never given them out." I told him I will do whatever it takes to make this right. He suggested that I give him another full script to make up for it, and without hesitating for even an instant, I said "sure"! The next week I gave him 15 new gorgeous, clean clones. Sounds fair, right? Fair. One of the strains he wanted which I didn't have available the week before was the BCS pink cut I had. So I gave him 5 or 6 of those along with a couple other strains, bug free, and mold free. For the second meet up, again, I didn't meet J, it was his brother. This entire time J and I had been regularly speaking and he always talked about how if things go well he will be a consistent large customer and wanted me to be their main "cloner guy" because they didn't have a solid one in their group (web of people) yet. He said he'd been growing for decades and wanted to take me under his wing and in some sense, mentor me (which I didn't need, but certainly obliged)... Anyways, 4 days later after meeting the second time, I get a text from him while I'm at work, saying something to the effect that, "Hey, I think you gave me the wrong strains. There are no BCS here." I was shocked to hear that because the one strain he wanted was my pink BCS cut which he had planned on using in his breeding projects. I didn't have much time to think about it cause I was working, and again I profusely apologized and I considered myself to be the biggest idiot in the world for somehow messing that one up because the BCS was the whole point of us meeting up. I was second guessing myself even though I KNEW I had given him the BCS clones... But then later on, something hit me that changed my entire state of mind completely... The day prior (a couple days after we had met the second time), J's brother had sent me a text asking about the labels on the new plants I gave him... He essentially asked me, "Hey bro, is the BLACK CHERRY SODA the same thing as the BCS PINK...? because I have two different labels here..." I explained to him, that yes, they are both the exact same strain, and that my employees sometimes write labels slightly differently. At that very moment I knew that BreederJ was trying to scam me out of more clones!!!!!! I couldn’t believe it! My friendly attitude towards him changed immediately as anyone's would when you feel like you've just been played for a fool. I sent him a text back stating that his brother somehow didn't forward all the clones to him that he received from me, and that his brother had some serious explaining to do! BreederJ talked to his brother and said he didn’t have them, and of course denied ever having received the BCS cuttings, but I had proof on my phone from his very own brother asking me specifically about the BCS labels. I said to him, "How did your brother know what I wrote on my labels if he didn't have them in front of him!?” He continued to lie about it and somehow starting talking about all sorts of stuff that had nothing to do with the situation at hand, much like he still does. He turned it around on me even though he knew he was in the wrong! At that point I had had enough of it and I remember telling him I knew he was trying to scam me, and I called him a liar and a fraud (sound familiar?), and that we will have no further communication. Since that day (back in 2014!) we have had zero communication!
BreederJ, lets not forget that I was the one who STOPPED doing business with YOU, not the other way around! You were STILL in the process of trying to cop more clones off of me when we stopped talking. I'm sure you selectively chose to forget that part... "The ax might forget, but the tree remembers..."
As I stated earlier, most everything that BreederJ has proclaimed about me is fabricated out of his mind to his own liking. Meaning he speaks of me as he wants/hopes me to be- just some shotty, mystery strain flipping, ignorant, lazy cloner dude ripping off patients throughout the surrounding counties. And it really could not be farther from the truth. I am a calm, respectful, optimistic, reliable, dedicated, honest, easy going, friendly guy that happens to have a green thumb. To say I'm in it just for the money, is again, a gigantic assumption on J's part. The whole reason I do any of this is because of my love for the cannabis plant. I am passionate about everything I do regarding mmj and I'd like think that it shows in my finished products. I've already made my money, and I donate to fellow patients regularly. There are members on here who can attest to that.
Did I give BreederJ mites? I might have, but I'll never know for sure, because when a liar tells the truth, he is not believed. BreederJ tries to portray to all of you that he knows me, when in reality he’s never once met me, nor has he ever been to, or seen any of my gardens, flowers or concentrates, nor has hereceived a single cutting from me since, and we literally haven’t said one word to each other. To put it simply, he knows absolutely nothing about me, although he'd lead one to believe otherwise. The only basis on which BreederJ has to judge me on are the 30 small plants he received from me. Anything and everything he says beyond those 30 cuttings is no more than a shameful attempt to spread fear, uncertainty, and doubt about my persona. He makes ridiculous accusations that I'm somehow "whoring out" super-mite ridden, powdery mildew-covered cuttings and infesting the entire mmj industry. Those are simply words, not fact. I NEVER gave you powdery mildew and you know it!
Honesty has always been a good policy for me as I have nothing to hide. I am proud of my cannabis strains and if offering highly sought after genetics to the community is a crime then I AM GUILTY. Anyone that knows me on a personal level knows that I'm about as real as it gets. I do what I say and say what I mean. I do my best to verify all the strains in my permanent collection with pictures and test results. As far as me “taking in (fake) high CBD strains” goes, and me “blowing them out to the masses”- that's just simply untrue. I'm small time, and don't have the capacity to blow out 20 different strains, so in no way do I have any kind of influence on the local mmj cuttings scene. When I picked up the Harlequin high CBD clone from The Cloners Market it even had a HIGH CBD tag on it from DAMA clones, so somehow that’s my fault? After my very first harvest finished I had it tested and it came back at 13% thc and 0% cbd... so you know I did with it? I got rid of it! I didn't make it into a mother plant or give it out to the "masses". If a couple people ended up with the cuts before I had it tested I would’ve just let them know the test results weren’t what they should’ve been. Not a big deal. THERE'S NOTHING HARD ABOUT BEING HONEST. The same goes for other high cbd strains I've had tested and they came back negative. I never offered them. The only high cbd cuts I've made mothers of are the two that I displayed on my website and they were accompanied with test results and extensive photos! BreederJ talks as if somehow my posting photos of my OWN buds from plants that were grown in my OWN garden that I took pictures of MYSELF and posted on my OWN website which I made by MYSELF is a bad thing...? And those same photos are of the exact same strains that I offer to anybody else. Does every harvest look that good? Of course not, but I don't do the BAIT AND SWITCH! Why would I need to? J, you also talk about how I allegedly mislabel all my clones... What J really means is that when I brought him his first script of clones they were all packed snuggly in a box, and as I crammed the last one or two clone cups in the box one of the labels got caught on the underside of the cups, bent, and flipped out of the soil into the box... It happens. For that I do apologize. That's my bad, and luckily it can be easily remedied by finding the only two cups without a label in them and putting the one or two labels back in the appropriate cups. The labels were there, but you chose to make a gigantic stink about it. You've been growing for 30 years and a couple mites and two misplaced labels is just so much for you to bare that you still find it necessary to harp on me about everything I say or do on this forum, whether it relates to you or not!? Again, you are pathetic. You are no more than a condescending, know-it-all, sociopathic bully who gets a thrill out of talking down to people. I know you're type... You act this way online because that's how you really are in your daily life. You are just a nasty, miserable, individual... and misery loves company. You speak more like you are a thug or a drug addict, then you are a mmj patient/grower. And if you haven't figured it out yet, life isn't about being "hard". Its about doing what you can to help out your fellow human being, and leaving the world a better place then you found it.
I've done nothing to you to warrant the disrespect you've shown me. You talk at people, not to them, as if you’re the ring leader of this crazy circus, but you’re not. You’re just a clown. Your bold faced lies are pathetic, and knowing you, you'll just keep spouting them off, so for anyone who cares to know the truth, here it is. Anything you say beyond this point will be considered incessant whining, extreme exaggeration, or just a straight out lie. I'm sure you're going to pick this entire thing apart... You might say that I didn't give you 15 plants to replace the others, or that every plant had mites with webs all over them, or maybe even that all of my BCS plants were mislabeled, so that's why you never ended up with the cut. But those would all be lies too.... You know how I know that? Because I hold very high expectations of myself and those around me, and don't mislabel 100% of my clones! The truth I speak contradicts the lies you live, so no matter what you might refute, we know one thing is for certain- you're going to lie some more. Your job as a hater is to hate me, and I know you'll stay on your job 24/7, so I'm not expecting you to clock out and leave me alone, but I am done defending myself as one can not reason with an unreasonable person.
I'll continue to take care of my character and my reputation will take care of itself, as it always has. My flowers and cuttings will continue to speak for themselves too. An ounce of performance has always been worth more than a pound of preachment. I'm not trying to proclaim my superiority on top of the growers pedestal here because there are many, many people out there who do a much better job than I do. I am just a proud person who shares my growing knowledge based on my experiences.
I still just can't believe you haven't given it up J...
I guess it's true that small things affect small minds...
BreederJ vs VitaminCBD- The real story
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